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posted October 11, 2004 02:15 PM        
Anyone have any experience with oppracing.com?

anyone? some feedback?

http://www.oppracing.com

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posted October 11, 2004 06:53 PM        
Never purchased from them before but they do have some interesting stuff. I may have to be the guinea pig and try them out. Thanks for the link fish.
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posted October 11, 2004 09:47 PM        
I tried to order the Carbon Fibre rear hugger and they called me to say that they do not have any carbon fibre for our bikes in stock at all.

They said it should be in late October.

I think they should have listed that on the website.

I think that I will try to order it again next month as it does look pretty bad ass.
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posted October 11, 2004 09:52 PM        Edited By: ricksgsxr on 12 Oct 2004 05:07
I had a bad exp. I went through Indysuperbikes (who right after my dealings dropped them)I bought upper and lowers at a great price.
I received the product quickly and when I unwrapped it (poor wrapping) the lower had two small cracks. less than 10 minutes after receiving I call Indy who directs me to OPP.

I had my digital camera and snapped pics and called them, and the pics. The owner was very defensive from the get go. Throughout the ordeal ( over a week) I had to send him more pics a couple times because he claimed could not see them-I can clearly in the pics! I thought he felt I had installed the bodywork and damaged which considering how flimsy the raw cf is that could happen. However I just received them less than 20 minutes now after calling. I told him, go do a UPS trace and see the time!

Now he is beginning to get the idea. He tells me it would be a month or longer and he was not going to overnight, or 2 two day the replacement too me (his warehouse is on the west coast, im in Florida a 6 working day transit time-10 days real world) in the meantime the rest of bodywork is at a shop waiting to be clearcoated.

Several phone and nasty e-mails later and a threat to post all over the net Richards e-mails and the pictures he agreed to pay my shop to repair and send the materials to do. Than he calls back and says he will do it instead I blow up and say no fucking way. Two days later I get the parts. I wanted a cf fairing bracket he had and said to use the $100 and crediot towards the purchase.

He did not have in stock and expected a couple months it would take as he does not make it which he had replied the same an a earlier request.

I have been waiting over a year and have spoken to him, and e-mailed him to send me the $100 since he never has the bracket in stock. No $100, no bracket

So...I bad mouth the fuck out of him whenever I see a post on dealings with OPP. No slander, honest reply to my dealings and the fuckwad knows it. If one person declines to buy or forwards my postings its worth the $100 loss to me.

The product: Fit was very good. The CF was not gel coated and was raw which makes for a light and flimsy product and requires extra clear coat cause it sucks it up.

I have mixed feelings on recomending him. Good prices and a complete selection much more than any other Cf source I have seen. Terrible customer service and Indy I was told dropped them for that reason. I cannot be alone....

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posted October 11, 2004 10:34 PM        
well that is some feedback.

Now I will not buy from them unless others on the board buy from them and say that they have their sh*t together.

Thanks for the info.
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posted October 12, 2004 12:11 AM        
keep the information coming guys..
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posted October 12, 2004 01:29 AM        
The fiberglass I ordered and recieved for my 12 was possibly the worst crap I had ever seen in my life. When they made the molds, then didn't even take the stickers off the original bodywork! It was thick, heavy, fit poorly. Appropriately enough, I donated it back to an itinerate canadian. ;0
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posted October 12, 2004 06:12 AM        
swft, i notice they don't list fairings for the 12R on their site (anymore?). maybe just an error, i dont know. i finally painted the tailsection i got from u. it took teh paint ok, but u can see the bodywork is definietly not factory smooth. i'm hoping their CF stuff is better.
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posted October 12, 2004 02:39 PM        
IndySuperbikes is very service oriented. If they dropped OPP, that says alot to me.
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posted October 12, 2004 02:52 PM        
According to OPP they still supply IndySuperbikes..
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posted October 12, 2004 10:07 PM        
I would bet the only way that is happening is by special order for clients who had ordered OPP parts from them in the past but you won't find OPP on there site under bodywork or carbon fibre. Both, Chris and Scott (sales) when I had to get them involved said they had too many complaints and were going to drop them. 3 days later OPP was removed from there product listing under CF/Bodywork

Take a look...Do you see OPP?

http://www.indysuperbike.com/customer/home.php?cat=20693

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posted October 12, 2004 11:03 PM        Edited By: lzbrown on 15 Oct 2004 06:20
I bought the cf upper and lower for my 10. It took about 10 days to get it, one small scratch, but the cf was very poor quality. It wasn't as shiny as I thought it would be. It looked very dull.







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posted October 13, 2004 12:32 AM        
Damn, I wish A-Tech were more available / affordable!
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posted October 13, 2004 12:35 AM        Edited By: lzbrown on 13 Oct 2004 07:44
Nevermind
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posted October 13, 2004 12:54 AM        
When I got a quote for the A-Tech stuff, I forgot to include the secret squirrel info!
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posted October 13, 2004 01:47 AM        
Man, the whacks against OPP are just adding up...
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posted October 13, 2004 06:28 AM        
Here is an update.

I just got a call from (Patrick??) from OPP.

He said my rear hugger just came in stock and he needed my credit card number.

I told him about my concerns with the quality. He said the part looked great. I asked ablut the clear coat and he said it was nicely clear coated.

Anyway we agreed that he would waive the shipping and send it out for me to take a look at.

I told him I would post my opinion here.

So I will have it in a few days. I sure hope that it looks better than the upper I saw on the above post.

I have my doubts, however.

I will let you know.


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posted October 13, 2004 02:52 PM        
I will wait before contributing any more info.
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posted October 13, 2004 05:51 PM        
Hi this Patrik from oppracing.com . I would love to shine some light for everybody. Hopefully teach a few things.

Carbon fiber:
Option A
Our carbon is made from Carbon (two-three layers) and sometimes a silk weave (this protects the carbon inside from oils and such and gives it that nice smooth look on the inside without any edges. Epoxy resin is used. As well it is reinforced with Kelvar at mounting points.

Option B
One layer of carbon and one layer of kevlar, this is WSB quality. I dont care what you think !! This is how it is. I travel the world 4-6 times in europe just to mention, we sponsor a ton of teams in Europe in European Superbike and World Endurance. This is how they want their bodywork. Two layers, one carbon one kevlar, kevlar reinforcement and high quality Epoxy resin.

The problem is that 95% of customers (people in North America) don't know good carbon fiber, if it hit them in the head. That is the truth. I am not trying to insult or belittle anybody, just educate. This is unfortuanely the truth.

What you get in north america is junk (almost all), well because 95+ % of companies in NA don't know what the hell they are doing or do not want to use the good stuff because it is way to expensive or too difficult to work with and they may not have the expertise produce such a high end the product.


So the typical customer in north america is used to is garbage products like SEBIMOTO sold by YOYODYNE! for example !!

This is what you get and what you are used to. One layer of carbon fiber (which is the lightest weight of carbon that Sebimoto can buy to save money). AND One layer of nice HEAVY and CHEAP FIBERGLASS and on top of it, POLYESTER RESIN IS USED.For the BIG FINALLE SEBIMOTO SPRAYS the inside of the bodywork BLACK.
THis painting has three reasons :

1) so you can't see the fiberglass which is white and looks like shit.
2) so you can't see through the bodywork in the daylight because you will see only one layer and see the glass
3)hide the heavy polyester gel coat, which they just glob on, there are a ton of imperfections when the parts come out and they spend a shit load of time polishing the hell out of the product so it looks good.Yes optically it looks smooth. I agree. But !!!!!!!!! Read FURTHER ON POLYESTER !!


Now to educate everybody about polyester resin.

Polyester resin is the chepest shit that you can buy on the market. Sebimoto's resin is the absolute cheapest that you can lay your hands on with out any UV protection ect.
Another great feature is that Polyester resin SPIDER CRACKS like a BITCH and is compeltely INFLEXIBLE !!
Last but not least, polyester resin has a blueish finish - definitely not clear , it actually becomes sligthly OPAQUE over time.
ONE MORE GREAT THING IS THAT THEIR PRODUCT DONT FIT WORTH SHIT BECAUSE THEY DON'T SPEND THE TIME PRODUCING HIGH QUALITY MOLDS.

I am not trying to pick on Sebimoto but give you guys an example of what is a standard issue in this industry!
I used SEBIMOTO as an example because i am very familier with this product, we sold it for about year and a half, with many difficulties. I also figure that everybody know about Sebimoto quality, so i figure i am not telling anybody any BIG news.

MOST COMPANIES DO THE SAME SOME MAY BE BETTER SOME WORSE , IN A NUT SHELL THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.

I am not trying to say that we are the best, but we are definitly up there with quality and fit + materials.

Don't you wonder why NO COMPANY lists what kind of materials they use or what they do !!!

NOW!!
MacMoto we use only carbon and kelvar and only EPOXY resin with 100% UV protector. We have added the silk screen to make it nicer on the inside!! All procducts are then baked in an OVEN to cure the resin.
This resin is 3 times more money. Has a clear finish. And is extremely Flexible. NO OTHER RESIN OTHER THAN EPOXY can MATCH the quality. NOTHING PERIOD.

The reason i am trying to educate you guys is in good faith, plus i am getting a little tired of hearing this CRAP about RAW carbon and NOT enuf SHINE.
Yes i am defensive because its bullshit. If anybody has an issue when they purchase a product from us they can call us or email us. We will deal with EVERYONE!

Problem is that this is a high end product that nobody is used to , i can't stress this enuf. Is it flimsy . Well that depends what you are used to if you are used to buying carbon with like one layer of carbon and two or three layers of glass. Then yes OUR (OPP) product is flimsy. Hell yeah it is. Now since this product is used and loved in european superbike and is good enuf for them them and it withstands a beating. Then it should be good enuf (yes its spelled wrong short cut) for North American customers.

We have actually started to produce our bodywork a little heavier so our customers feel like their getting a little more durability. Still only carbon.

WE can certainly clear coat your stuff for about $1000, with like 4 layers of high quality STANDOX clear (this clear is made in germany and they spray all the Porsche's and Mercedes with it) They it will look like a million bucks.
Our produts are not clear coated, i will say it again , they are not clear coated , it is only epoxy resin that is how it comes out of the mold.

All products are made in house from scratch no bodywork is copied like 90% companies , (i know sharkshinz is exculed-they make a good product-my experice-i am sure there has to be one or more others). All molds are sculptured inhouse with EPOXY (we have over a 3 000 000 dollars invested in EPOXY MOLDS. All products are then prefited so there are no fitment issues.

MOTORCYCLE BUSINESS IS VERY FUNNY , WE HAVE THOUSANDS VERY HAPPY CUSTOMERS , BUT YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT THAT , YOU JUST HEAR ABOUT THE ONES WHO ARE PISSED OFF.

ALL WE ASK FOR IS TO GIVE US A CALL FIRST IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WE CAN USUALLY FIX THE PROBLEM !


THANKS

Sincerely
Patrik Paletar

OPP INC.



P.S One last thing about Mr.Gregory GSXR 1000 02 who bought his kit through indysuperbikes, well you still HAD a 100 dollar credit, which i told you that you can apply to anything in our store, unlimited time. Yes we do not have the fairing stay that you have asked for. YOU are correct. YES we required a few pictures to see the damage-clearly. Was that such a problem?

SO NO PROBLEM ON FIT hmm,. NO PROBLEM ON THE QUALITY hmmm
GREAT PRICE AND PRODUCT SO WHERE IS THE PROBLEM ????

As far as delivery time , we cannot be responsible for UPS shipping times, we only get estimates, UPS says 5-6 business days to may ports. If it falls over the weekend then it becomes naturally 8 maybe 10 days to remote areas. We cannot be resposible for that . SORRY!!

AS YOU SAID ON THE PHONE, YOU WERE IMPRESSED HOW LIGHT,FLEXIBLE THE PRODUCT WAS AND AS I REMEBER YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A PRODUCT LIKE THIS !

So now you badmouth OPP where ever you GO . HMMM Pleasant ! I did not know that OPP had it out for you ! Or that OPP screwed you! I think that is very poor behaviour from a company that worked with you to get your bike to be top notch!
GEE THANKS
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posted October 13, 2004 08:09 PM        
Well, if nothing else, I learned alot about carbon panels!!
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posted October 13, 2004 10:00 PM        Edited By: ricksgsxr on 14 Oct 2004 05:53
The problem Patrick is the time and effort it took to partially resolve.

It takes more than just a good product to make a happy client as you can see from my postings.

Yes, things can and will happen like mine but it is the manner in which it is resolved and the reasonable time to make the situation right- Which you have not done so with me. How long does it take to write a check and stick in the mail?

You have never contacted me when the hangar was in stock (over a year now-why the fuck you still have it on your site? because you have had it in stock - I had a friend e-mail you and inquire. But when I wanted it, No it is still not in stock.

In my last e-mail I said ok send me my $100 since when I call you never have the product in stock.

There is nothing I have posted that is untrue from your service, attitude, or the product I received from OPP

So the question for Patrick is? Send me my $100?

Your reply HERE is waiting...

Here is my address to send it too:

10407 Centurion Pkwy
Jacksonville, Fl 32256




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posted October 13, 2004 10:24 PM        
hmmmm Drama.


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posted October 13, 2004 10:33 PM        
No, drama just the facts.
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posted October 14, 2004 12:36 AM        
I'll prolly wait for the A-Tech stuff. That's quality cf straight from Japan. Oh, did you know that the material for the composite wing (made by Mitsubishi for Boeing) is produced right here in Washington State? Forgot the name of the company. Would be nice to sneak in and liberate a couple rolls of material.
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posted October 14, 2004 01:03 AM        
That OPP guy is sure defensive. Is he Canadian or something?
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