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posted January 08, 2007 11:30 AM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 8 Jan 2007 18:32
FL Riders getting the shaft
As some of you know i have been fighting a ticket for (racing on the hiway) But i was in a parking lot and not on the hiway...Fines start at 1000 dollars and one year of your DL... I have a Lawyer and i am fighting it... My lawyer called to day and looks like we have cut a deal with the DA....I plead to a wreckless and get a small fine and NO points on my DL ...I would like to take it to trail but that's another 1000 in Lawyer fees and it's cheaper to plea to a lesser Charge ....I hate to walk away and not fight Because i did nothing wrong to start with ...But this is how the system works...I would rather pay a small fine than run the risk of losing my DL for one year.. Below is a link to what the police officers are up to now to stop sports bike in FL ....Tonytooth and SteveSWF need to read this ...
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1537.asp
1/7/2007
Florida: Police Hope to Seize Motorcycles Without Trial
Florida Highway Patrol seized 344 motorcycles last year by accusing owners of a felony.
The Florida Highway Patrol on Thursday showed off a trio of high-powered sport motorcycles it had recently seized, including the $9300 Yamaha YZF-R6.
"All the law says is we get the tag number, we just come and pick up the bike," Florida Highway Patrol spokesman Kim Miller told the Orlando Sentinel newspaper.
Last year, the force grabbed the rides of 344 motorcyclists, usually claiming that their owners had run from the police -- a felony -- based on a memory of a license plate number. No police car can keep up with either a sport bike's top speed or ability to accelerate, and Florida police have a policy restricting high-speed chases. Although police claim the confiscation policy is done to save the lives of innocent motorists, no automobile driver has been killed by a motorcyclist on the run.
The most common state police tactic is to accuse a motorcyclist of a felony, initiate the seizure proceeding, then drop the charges. This allows police get to keep the sport bike without the effort of a court battle or the danger of a not guilty verdict. Even an innocent motorcyclist will think twice about fighting an an unjust seizure since the felony charges carry jail time and a permanent black mark on more than just the driving record.
Source: Reckless bikers risk losing rides (Orlando Sentinel (FL), 1/6/2007)
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posted January 08, 2007 11:42 AM
I think its time to move...Or start pettions on a vote to change stuff... The cruiser riders rode on the capital of Texas when they started to bring back helmet laws.... 200.000 strong shooked the lawmakers into a deal.... R.O.T. Rallie is held there every since...
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posted January 08, 2007 11:50 AM
That kind of BS will turn law abiding citizens into criminals, at least, I think that's what it would do to me... Bikers in Florida need to unite. Glad I don't live in Florida but I'm with you in spirit. Don't lay down!
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posted January 08, 2007 12:06 PM
Here is more on the story..
The young daredevils who speed away from police on high-performance motorcycles face a growing risk across Florida: losing their wheels.
All it takes is letting a cop get close enough to their fast-moving bikes to see the license plate.
But it's not as easy as it sounds.
Young riders rarely brake. They snap the throttle. And they give the finger to cops at 150 mph -- faster than any police car built.
"All the law says is we get the tag number, we just come and pick up the bike [or car]," Florida Highway Patrol spokeswoman Trooper Kim Miller said Thursday. "Whenever they give us a tool, we use the tool."
Three confiscated sport bikes now sit outside FHP troop headquarters in Orlando. Four await forfeiture in DeLand. And 15 to 20 more are locked in a shed in Miami. In 2006, records show, FHP confiscated 344 motorcycles from riders who ran or committed some other felony.
It's a tiny number in a state with about 400,000 registered motorcycles -- and riders who know the cops can't always chase them because of changes in pursuit policies.
But just wait. In the next 30 days, FHP and police departments in South Florida are forming a task force to crack down on sport bikers who refuse to stop.
Officers can keep up with most cars on the road, so chases are more of an issue with high-speed motorcycles. It used to be rare for motorists to flee from police.
"Now, it's not," said Lt. Pat Santangelo in Miami, who joined FHP in 1982. "Of course, years ago, people knew we'd chase 'em."
Besides the stricter chase policies -- aimed at preventing crashes because of pursuits -- the surge in bikers who flee since the 1990s is attributed to marketing 150-mph motorcycles to teenagers for monthly payments that break down to as little as $3.33 a day.
Running is so common, officers say, that riders frequently bend their tags to make them harder to see. FHP is lobbying state legislators to increase the size of motorcycle tags from 3-by-6 inches to a more visible size.
Orlando-based Trooper Harold Schweinsberg described how often young riders have refused to stop for him as "too numerous to remember." So he and other troopers do their best to get the tag number before turning on their blue lights.
"They're usually riding so recklessly, they're not watching who's coming up behind," he said.
In 2005, Schweinsberg bagged a Yamaha R6 when its rider, Shawn Connor, fled after "popping a wheelie" at 80 mph on Interstate 4. Connor, then 23, and a buddy on another bike sped away onto Florida's Turnpike without stopping to pay their tolls, arrest records show.
Thinking they got away, the two stopped to refuel at the Turkey Creek service plaza. That's where the other rider escaped on a bike without a tag when Schweinsberg busted Connor and took his motorcycle.
"He looked surprised," the trooper said.
The move to seize motorcycles or cars from drivers who flee police -- a felony in Florida -- is happening internationally.
In Australia, police call seizing motorcycles "hoon enforcement," slang for "a show-off with limited intelligence." From July through Oct. 23 in 2006, 441 motorcycles and cars were seized in the state of Victoria under a new law letting officers take speeders' vehicles.
Florida law allows the permanent confiscation of any vehicle used in a felony crime, such as fleeing and eluding, or for a second street-racing conviction within five years. The Orange County Sheriff's Office routinely impounds street racers' cars for 10 days and permanently confiscated one repeat offender's car last year.
One Orlando rider who lost his bike doesn't approve of confiscation but said something needs to be done to curtail the deaths of reckless riders.
"A lot of young kids think it's like watching something on TV," said Christopher Williams, a registered nurse and veteran motorcyclist. "You get a lot of second chances in a car. You don't get a second chance on a bike."
FHP seized Williams' motorcycle in 2005 when a trooper stopped his younger brother for riding with a bent tag. The stop led to an arrest on felony charges that later were dropped -- but FHP kept the bike.
Police say confiscation ultimately protects other motorists.
A recent death in south Orange County underscored the danger a recklessly operated motorcycle poses to riders and other motorists.
Lewis Collins, who was not running from police, was riding in excess of 100 mph on Dec. 12 on John Young Parkway when he hit a Nissan Xterra, according to FHP. Collins died instantly when his 400-pound motorcycle flipped over the 4,000-pound sport utility vehicle.
Each year, scores of law-abiding motorcyclists die when struck by other vehicles. No one in Central Florida has been killed by a fleeing motorcyclist, according to interviews.
"If we don't get a handle on it, somebody's going to die as a result of these criminals," Miller said. "There's too much complacency about traffic issues."
The Florida Highway Patrol is taking sport bikes from riders who flee police.
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posted January 08, 2007 12:10 PM
makes me ,..so i don't even want to go to bike week or even take my bikes to florida for the week,like ive done many times in saint pete,you florida riders need to take care of those lawmaking assholes
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posted January 08, 2007 12:29 PM
I really don't have no issue's with the law taking a bike from the right person runnin...
AS long as they got the plate number on video and a good ID of the rider...
BUT bike's look alike and just a few numbers from a plate is not right
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posted January 08, 2007 01:02 PM
" ..............based on a memory of a license plate number........." Like thatcould hold up in a real court......by memery.....give me a break.
I would fight to win and then sue them for screwing people..........another Bush in control over there.....
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posted January 08, 2007 01:11 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 8 Jan 2007 20:11
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" ..............based on a memory of a license plate number........." Like thatcould hold up in a real court......by memery.....give me a break.
I would fight to win and then sue them for screwing people..........another Bush in control over there.....
In Texas if i remember correctly you can't sue the state...
LONG STORY but my state put loose rock on a down hit grade that got 5 good curves and didn't post danger or warning signs....good thing god looks out for fools like me..and we use to have a bush ...two in fact
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posted January 08, 2007 01:24 PM
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I really don't have no issue's with the law taking a bike from the right person runnin...
AS long as they got the plate number on video and a good ID of the rider...
BUT bike's look alike and just a few numbers from a plate is not right
If they can steal your bike, what's next, your house, wife kids & dog, rifles and guns. Yes punish the lawbreakers with due process, but don't violate the common laws of decency and justice. Make it fair and make the punishment fit the crime. Confiscating an expensive new Italian bike from one rider, and a worn out jap bike from another biker, isn't equal justice or equal punishment.
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posted January 08, 2007 01:43 PM
I see sales of these increasing: http://www.mannsmotorsports.com/fastags/
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posted January 08, 2007 01:53 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 8 Jan 2007 20:58
...what the cops need are 175mph C6 Vettes with a dash-mounted cameras that record date, time, speed, and the plate of the offending speeding sportbike...and it needs to show GPS coordinates to indicate where the recording took place...THEN it'd be fair game...but to rely on an individual cop's memory of a plate?  ...
...I'm not a not a cop hater  , but what would prevent a dishonest cop who hates motorcycle riders from reading a plate from a bike parked on a parking lot and saying that it was a bike that sped away from him/her?...really...how'bout black and white ZX-14s? 
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posted January 08, 2007 01:58 PM
Exactly what I was thinking Worm hole, I know not all police are dishonest.
But this is just wrong.
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posted January 08, 2007 02:28 PM
Totally phooked up for us here in FL.
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posted January 08, 2007 05:25 PM
Like I would let my tax money go to cop Vettes..........not. That would be some hot police auction item :-) - better than a beat up Caprice or old Kawi :-)
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posted January 08, 2007 05:43 PM
Smokin'.... Im fighting a wreckless too. Except I wasnt doing shit.
The deal you were offered sounds like crap to me. Tell your lawyer to sack up and do some litigating. I could negotiate a better deal than that! The prosecutor offered me a "deal" with 25hours of community service. I told him that if I took my salary and multiplied it by .64.... it would be almost twice what the max fine is. No way was I going to do community service for a trumped charge.
Wreckless charges are criminal... so whatever your work status is you might want to consider having the charge reduced to something else. Cause next time you get a ticket... you could get cited a 2nd time...and that doesnt look good going to court. And the charge is low level,so you get the greenest prosecutors out there.
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posted January 09, 2007 12:49 AM
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Smokin'.... Im fighting a wreckless too. Except I wasnt doing shit.
The deal you were offered sounds like crap to me. Tell your lawyer to sack up and do some litigating. I could negotiate a better deal than that! The prosecutor offered me a "deal" with 25hours of community service. I told him that if I took my salary and multiplied it by .64.... it would be almost twice what the max fine is. No way was I going to do community service for a trumped charge.
Wreckless charges are criminal... so whatever your work status is you might want to consider having the charge reduced to something else. Cause next time you get a ticket... you could get cited a 2nd time...and that doesnt look good going to court. And the charge is low level,so you get the greenest prosecutors out there.
I don't think you get it ...I was charged With (Racing on the Hiway) a ( Felony Charge) Fines starts at 1000 plus up to five years no DL...One year loss of my DL is the lowest fine . And if the want they can take my bike .. No ifs ands or buts... A Reckless is a small fine( misdemeanor) and i will get not points on my DL.... That was 5 months with my lawyer working to get a deal with the DA on the case...It's not going to get any better ..I can take it to court and fight it but lawyers fees (1000) and if i lose i get 1000 to 5000 in fines and one to five years with NO DL... Now that would fuck up my life for sure.. It pisses me off but if i fight it the officer will lie in court and the Judge will side with the officer.... There is a small chance i might win but is it worth the risk? I don't think it is... I just got done in July fighting a Speeding ticket of 101 in a 60 and got the charges reduced down to a simple speeding charge and no points and the judge will see that also... Had i not already had the one charge for speeding i would be in better shape to fight this one ....
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posted January 09, 2007 02:02 AM
Glad the charges were reduced. Punk ass lying cop!!!!
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posted January 09, 2007 02:49 AM
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...what the cops need are 175mph C6 Vettes with a dash-mounted cameras that record date, time, speed, and the plate of the offending speeding sportbike...and it needs to show GPS coordinates to indicate where the recording took place...THEN it'd be fair game...but to rely on an individual cop's memory of a plate? ...
...I'm not a not a cop hater , but what would prevent a dishonest cop who hates motorcycle riders from reading a plate from a bike parked on a parking lot and saying that it was a bike that sped away from him/her?...really...how'bout black and white ZX-14s?
Wormie.. You signing up for the new test pilot program?? Maybe the Governater might help,
he is an avid motorcylist, even if he did not have a licence when he crashed a couple of years ago.....LOL 
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posted January 09, 2007 03:09 AM
...I'd gladly sign up ....the gov didn't technically need an M endorsement when he was operating his sidecar...I met him once in his chambers in Sac....he even gave me one of his speciallt packaged cigars... but I doubt he'd ever ride with me 
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posted January 09, 2007 05:58 AM
tsk tsk tsk! Wormy,I thought you were just bragging about your new work station a couple of months ago and already you're complaining!
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posted January 09, 2007 12:29 PM
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...I'd gladly sign up ....the gov didn't technically need an M endorsement when he was operating his sidecar...I met him once in his chambers in Sac....he even gave me one of his speciallt packaged cigars... but I doubt he'd ever ride with me
Wow... You and Monica got the "special" cigars... Hope you saved your "dress" :d
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posted January 09, 2007 12:43 PM
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tsk tsk tsk! Wormy,I thought you were just bragging about your new work station a couple of months ago and already you're complaining!
...as Scoobie would say, "...huh???...hut hork schation????..."
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posted January 09, 2007 12:44 PM
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...I'd gladly sign up ....the gov didn't technically need an M endorsement when he was operating his sidecar...I met him once in his chambers in Sac....he even gave me one of his speciallt packaged cigars... but I doubt he'd ever ride with me
Wow... You and Monica got the "special" cigars... Hope you saved your "dress" :d
...I'm saving it for you, cupcake....
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posted January 09, 2007 12:55 PM
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...I'd gladly sign up ....the gov didn't technically need an M endorsement when he was operating his sidecar...I met him once in his chambers in Sac....he even gave me one of his speciallt packaged cigars... but I doubt he'd ever ride with me
Wow... You and Monica got the "special" cigars... Hope you saved your "dress" :d
...I'm saving it for you, cupcake....
:d Had to go there :d
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posted January 09, 2007 01:16 PM
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