ZX14Mike
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posted October 10, 2011 12:44 PM
When will you get to see how it runs? and when will they be available?
  
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fish_antlers
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posted October 10, 2011 01:05 PM
Available late November
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GREYHOUNDMOSES
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posted October 10, 2011 01:08 PM
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I'm wondering if gearing is the same?
Kawasaki UK site gives final drive as 17/42 !
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Y2KZX12R
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posted October 10, 2011 02:07 PM
As far as hp number from the crank to the rear wheel.... 15% is not accurate.
the 2000 zx12r was rated in the manual at 178 hp wherever they measured it, crank or counter shaft. in reality they put down 162 on most dynojet dynos. Mine did. so that's a 16 hp loss. the zx14 is in the same area.
The 06-07 zx14's were rated at 191ps that's about 187 hp. Look at what they put down on the dyno with stock exhaust.
So if these bikes are making 210 ps that's about 206 hp and take off the 16 hp to the rear wheel and you have........190 rwhp.
Any way you slice it the bike is 20 more hp. About the same as the jump from the cbr1100xx to the busa in 1999.
I'm sure the 47mm throttle bodies are going to yield at lease the 8hp that the first gen picked up with the 47mm units. Most likely this motor will pick up more.
An exhaust might yield 10 hp. They are making the factory units so good now that you are typically gaining less and less by putting a pipe on nowadays.
so 190 rwhp + 8 hp from the 47mm throttle bodies and 10 hp from a pipe.... That's right where our super sport head package is on the 2006-2010 models when you have a pipe on the bike.
I just dont see anyone buying a 2012 Busa now. Unless you have to have a "busa" because "busas are the fastest bike in the world".
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1badzx12r
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posted October 10, 2011 02:18 PM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 10 Oct 2011 22:26
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so 190 rwhp + 8 hp from the 47mm throttle bodies and 10 hp from a pipe.... That's right where our super sport head package is on the 2006-2010 models when you have a pipe on the bike.
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14,999.00+ttl1,500.00 +1,000.00 47's+1,000.00 pipe+301.00 pc= $18,800.00 i can buy i really bad mofo for that off of PB, ebay, craiglist, ..
its even got green flames http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Arctic-Cat-1200cc-Pro-Stock-Snowmobile-Engine-Drag-Bike-/120791462718?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item1c1fbb733e
buut i like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-Twin-Turbo-B-King-1300-Like-Hayabusa-NO-RESERVE-/320770474207?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item4aaf6900df
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Wheelie
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posted October 10, 2011 02:24 PM
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so 190 rwhp + 8 hp from the 47mm throttle bodies and 10 hp from a pipe.... That's right where our super sport head package is on the 2006-2010 models when you have a pipe on the bike.
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14,999.00+ttl1,500.00 +1,000.00 47's+1,000.00 pipe+301.00 pc= $18,800.00 i can buy i really bad mofo for that off of PB, ebay, craiglist, ..
its even got green flames http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Arctic-Cat-1200cc-Pro-Stock-Snowmobile-Engine-Drag-Bike-/120791462718?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item1c1fbb733e
v max range. hehe
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fish_antlers
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posted October 10, 2011 02:29 PM
FYI black is metallic
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Wheelie
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posted October 10, 2011 02:32 PM
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FYI black is metallic
more sparkles?
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fish_antlers
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posted October 10, 2011 02:34 PM
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Bently
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posted October 10, 2011 02:53 PM
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so 190 rwhp + 8 hp from the 47mm throttle bodies and 10 hp from a pipe.... That's right where our super sport head package is on the 2006-2010 models when you have a pipe on the bike.
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14,999.00+ttl1,500.00 +1,000.00 47's+1,000.00 pipe+301.00 pc= $18,800.00 i can buy i really bad mofo for that off of PB, ebay, craiglist, ..
its even got green flames http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Arctic-Cat-1200cc-Pro-Stock-Snowmobile-Engine-Drag-Bike-/120791462718?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item1c1fbb733e
buut i like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-Twin-Turbo-B-King-1300-Like-Hayabusa-NO-RESERVE-/320770474207?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item4aaf6900df
At one time you could bought mine for 10,000 with bst's. But now its 13,500 cause enough guys think the new bikes a let down!
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MJ
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posted October 10, 2011 03:05 PM
Kawi claimed 197hp with ram air for the 06 14, and 200 for the 08 and up. So following that trend 210 would be a 10hp gain over the current bike. Sounds fairly close to what a lot of us predicted, maybe slightly lower lol, and sounds about right considering they didn't raise the comp ratio enough to matter, and just stroked it with slightly more aggressive cams and no change in the valve sizes. Ricky even said in an apologetic way in his thread here that he thought kawi was estimating low on the hp rating for the new 14. I'm sure its a little quicker, but as dyno's and track times start developing in the real world I'm sure we're going to see where it really stands in the hp and acceleration department. I have to say I like the new look alot, and considering the current 14 is already fast as hell, I think the new 14's going to be an even better 14 in every way. And I do think the stroked motor is going to have an ungodly amount of low end torque :-) .....in fact I think most of these engine changes probably were aimed more at torque increase rather than hp.
I do wonder though if they did the changes they did mainly to justify the new "tougher world economy" higher price tag. Folks wouldn't pay 15 grand for a 14 without some percieved improvements.
I might pick a used one up in a couple years though when I wear the current ride out ;-)
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1badzx12r
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posted October 10, 2011 03:15 PM
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At one time you could bought mine for 10,000 with bst's. But now its 13,500 cause enough guys think the new bikes a let down!
BST's make the price go down ..what would i do with BST'S
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fish_antlers
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posted October 10, 2011 05:52 PM
New bodywork is nice - fit and finish top notch
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Bently
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posted October 11, 2011 03:42 AM
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At one time you could bought mine for 10,000 with bst's. But now its 13,500 cause enough guys think the new bikes a let down!
BST's make the price go down ..what would i do with BST'S
Not hurt yourself pushing the bike around!
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1badzx12r
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posted October 11, 2011 04:40 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 11 Oct 2011 12:41
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BST's make the price go down ..what would i do with BST'S
Not hurt yourself pushing the bike around!
..i use the starter button.. did anybody catch if the transmission gear ratio are the same as the gen 1 zx14
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posted October 12, 2011 11:09 AM
Unsure ... Can find out if hasn't already been determined
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GREYHOUNDMOSES
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posted October 12, 2011 01:55 PM
2012
Primary reduction ratio 1.556 (84/54)
Gear ratios: 1st 2.611(47/18)
Gear ratios: 2nd 1.947 (37/19)
Gear ratios: 3rd 1.545 (34/22)
Gear ratios: 4th 1.333 (32/24)
Gear ratios: 5th 1.154 (30/26)
Gear ratios: 6th 1.036 (29/28)
Final reduction ratio 2.471 (42/17)
2011
Primary reduction ratio 1.556 (84/54)
Gear ratios: 1st 2.625 (42/16)
Gear ratios: 2nd 1.947 (37/19)
Gear ratios: 3rd 1.545 (34/22)
Gear ratios: 4th 1.333 (32/24)
Gear ratios: 5th 1.154 (30/26)
Gear ratios: 6th 1.036 (29/28)
Final reduction ratio 2.412 (41/17)
From Kawasaki UK website,
Looks like a small change in 1st and a larger rear sprocket.
Don't know what it all means though. 
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Shane661
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posted October 13, 2011 10:41 AM
Has a delivery date been stated yet?
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Wheelie
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posted October 13, 2011 12:55 PM
Edited By: Wheelie on 13 Oct 2011 20:57
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Has a delivery date been stated yet?
my dealers have yet to place their orders, said they should have them in November or December
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bluflame
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posted October 15, 2011 02:46 PM
I bought my 2006 ZX14 the first day of release. Have done over 50k on her and she hasnt missed a beat. The new 14 looks fantastic and I cant wait to get my touche into the saddle of one.
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Element
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posted November 06, 2011 01:51 AM
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OMG.... ya gotta feal bad for the guy.....
And the links at the end of it provided numerous chuckles ... I love watching people do very dumb things.
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