posted September 20, 2005 12:43 AM
Edited By: blueford on 20 Sep 2005 10:40
14 reported stats, weight is 230kg. 190hp, 200hp with ram air, New pics! Credible reports from Finland, weight is 230kg. 190hp, 200hp with ram air. Some new pictures I think? Edit: Opps , Tren already had them, he's fast!
posted September 20, 2005 01:16 AM
If it's claimed then it's probably dry which will make it a 'SPORT TOURER'. I have to believe that kawasaki has even bigger things in store for the future 10r's.
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posted September 20, 2005 01:35 AM
I dont think so fish.The kawasaki website says 463 dry,which means77lbs of fuel,oil and coolant to reach 540 wet.Using those figures this pig would way 584 lbs.The 12 is more like 510 wet which is about what this thing is dry if the 230 kilo thing is correct
posted September 20, 2005 01:52 AM
My '03 12, with an assortment of carbon fiber parts, no tools or anything else in the tail section, aftermarket exhaust, etc. weighed 530lbs full wet. That was taking off probably 20 lbs of weight from stock. A stock 12 weighs at least 540 lbs wet.
posted September 20, 2005 02:34 AM
I going to back away from the Finland report, marking it down to 50% credible, in any event we'll have to wait for it's official introduction to the world's bike press at Mondial Du Deux Roues (Paris bike show) Oct 1st. Should have hard numbers then!
posted September 20, 2005 03:15 AM
thats 507lbs...is that wet or dry ????
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posted September 20, 2005 05:47 AM
Curb weight is rarely reported at this stage.
More typically (or even perhaps almost exclusively) it's so-called "dry weight," which an interesting letter in Cycle World pointed out really refers to "design weight," in other words the sum of the design weights of all the parts.
If the production parts weigh the same as designed, or average out the same, then the "dry weight" is indeed the curb weight (ready to ride, full up) minus all fluids and I believe minus also the battery, though why the battery shouldn't be counted as a part is beyond me.
If on the other hand the production parts weigh or on average weigh somewhat more than original design spec, then the curb weight exceeds dry weight by more than this or even much more than this, as in the case of the 12R.
The 12 has a "dry weight" of 463 lb, but that's not remotely close to the actual weight minus fluids.
The 503 lb figure could be:
1) Unfounded speculation
2) A dry weight that the bike actually pretty much comes in at, which happens sometimes, which would make it about the same as the 12
3) A dry weight that's just as far off of curb weight as the 12's is, in which case this bike is way heavier (I doubt that)
4) A wet weight in which case this bike is light for its size for a production bike, but by no means impossibly so.
posted September 20, 2005 06:53 AM
Edited By: trenace on 20 Sep 2005 14:57
In the higher-res bigger pics, it's looking better.
The lights clearly aren't really six headlights at all as they appeared in first pics, but four (as the press release states), with the uppermost outermost lights perhaps being parking lights.
Even the strakes are looking not as bad in higher-res.
The lower fairing appearance still isn't good but this may be forced by cats being down there.
Overall, while not having the sleek look of the 12, this is not an ugly bike now IMO when seen better. It does remain that it has some function-related appearances that make it appear more towards a "standard" bike than a supersports, namely the differing tail giving better ability to carry as passenger. While psychologically one can take that as being an apparent indicator of lessened handling, there is just no way to tell that from looks.
There really seems little rational reason for it to be heavier, or at least not exclusive of exhaust. A little weight will be added from the block being a little taller but that's pretty trivial. One wouldn't think much weight would have been added to the cases -- what would be the need? The bodywork does not have to be heavier: it does not cover a greater area of the bike than the 12's does or not significantly, and even if you increase the weight of the 12's bodywork by say 20% you are talking about adding only, what, about 2 or 3 lb in that process.
The wheels and brakes are most likely lighter.
So why would the bike be heavier, other than possibly added exhaust weight, which the owner is likely to change anyway? Four projectors may be no heavier than the 12's present headlight, or if heavier probably not by more than 1 or 2 lb.
And even that is only a "possibly," as the 12's stock exhaust is hardly light.
posted September 20, 2005 07:13 AM
Edited By: trenace on 20 Sep 2005 17:53
Gunner, since you were interested in "what if" it ran only the inner headlights, here's a chop... almost for sure the fake of how light would play on the faked surface is not too accurate
but hopefully gives an idea:
posted September 22, 2005 11:01 AM
gesh, In the N.A. market we DID NOT have a ZZR until Kawi built the Mickey Mouse looking ZZR1200 and rebadged the ZX6.
N.A. had ZX's period.
Get over it, the ZX14 is a ZX just like the ZX10 and the ZX11 were.
I for one am dam glad to have the stupid ZZR name dropped.
posted September 22, 2005 08:40 PM
I'd like to see an option that keeps the ZX14 the same but adds detachable hard luggage. Keep the chain, do not detune, etc. Now that would be a nice replacement for the Concours. I might even buy one then.
04 ZX10r (Track only)