worm~hole
Needs a life
Miles to go before I sleep....
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posted December 06, 2005 11:40 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 6 Dec 2005 23:41
quote: Hey Wormie, what a pain in the ass to load and unload the car everyday huh!!!
...one of the perks of being a K9 handler is that the car is issued equipment for the dog...where the dog goes, the car goes (along with every single piece of issued equipment that I can cram into the unit...and the dog goes home with me everyday...the car is secured next to his kennel behind a locked gate...and he doesn't want anybody messin' with his ride...life is good
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junior s
Pro
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posted December 08, 2005 08:20 PM
quote: The sad thing is that one past break-in of a gun and assuming no mechanical problem which later is fixed but rather a failure with no known cause except apparent ammo incompatability or failure, ANY failure with a given type of ammo, even a single one, means it is unreliable except if it is only after an acceptably large number of uses.
Namely, if the only information one has is that after, for example, 100 rounds a single failure occurred, then at that point in time the best estimation is there is on any given shot a 1 in 100 chance of failure. Or if 500 rounds have been shot, then 1 in 500 of failure, etc.
So if it's after 2000 rounds or something then it is not that alarming, it could still be a reliable round in that gun... but if trying many brands of ammo not on the basis of wanting to switch because of failure but out of experimenting, quite possibly none will have that large a number.
There is a human tendency to tend to feel that the risk is less than this, but it's actually the most valid assessment.
Speaking of, I certainly hope my Colt Government 380 that I just got back from Cylinder and Slide will work OK. It's quite possible that its original problem rather than the gun itself could have been shitty magazines... actually when I sent the gun off I couldn't find the magazines and instead bought new OEM ones and had them shipped to Cylinder and Slide. Guess what, on getting everything back they are shitty magazines too, tending to bind up. I lubed them with Militec which made them work considerably less badly to the hand but still I am dubious. What's the point of a big-name gunsmith working on it when the magazine is crap? Anyone know of a good magazine for that gun? Would the ProMag be better than the OEM despite being cheaper? (If no one knows, I ought to order the ProMag just on the chance it might be obviously better, but ideally someone might know?)
I find the grouping of my shots changes as well with the load change or from one manufacturer to another .....
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trenace
Needs a job
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posted December 09, 2005 04:07 PM
Edited By: trenace on 9 Dec 2005 17:37
quote: IAlso wouldn't mind a H&K Mark 23... interestingly, there's a flash suppressor for it that besides suppressing flash, also tightens (already tight) groups significantly and reduces muzzle flip to virtually zero, reportedly... the pic is on a USP but gives the idea:
What a fuckin' lie that was! As was the claim from this company that with it the Mark 23 is like "operating a sewing machine."
Actually I didn't compare without the flash suppressor, as I had only limited time available at the range, but it's hard for me to believe that the muzzle flip of the Mark 23 without the flash suppressor would be much if any more, or the recoil any more, than it was with it. Really there was not that much difference for flip and recoil compared to a 1911, which surprised the hell out of me, as much as the gun weighs and given H&K's claim of a recoil reduction system that's supposed to take 30% off. Just not so I don't think.
I do have to admit I have myself partly to blame because I did figure beforehand, "Why should a flash suppressor reduce muzzle flip? That makes no sense." But I thought, oh well sometimes things happen that surprise you.
On the other hand, the 380 Government worked perfect after getting back from the gunsmith and that one IS like operating a sewing machine. Also about as effective
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