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jjkillian


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posted October 17, 2006 02:20 AM        Edited By: jjkillian on 17 Oct 2006 10:25
I can pin it in any gear at any speed, and it will not come up.

Have not tried to bounce it yet.

The only time it comes up is if I hammer it through 1st and hit 2nd hard. It then comes up like maybe a few inches.

I am going to have it dyno'd in the next few weeks to see if something is wrong with it. But it seems to me this bike should come up fairly easily.

I broke it in exactly how I was suspose to, but it just doesn't seem as fast as I thought it would be.

Really starting to think I have a defective one.

Also I only weight 175lbs. Seems as though most of you are 200+ and getting wheelies without issue.

JJ

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fastestbusaaround


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posted October 17, 2006 06:44 AM        
JJ -- it's all about technique. No dissin' here, but I'm sure that your ride will lift faster than stink (no pun intended) when you use the proper technique

If you're trying to wheelie with no success, try this...

1) Find an open piece of road with no disturbances
2) Run the bike on 1st gear at a steady speed of 5K
3) Snap (and I mean "snap") the throttle to about 3/4 open; it's really all you'll need anyway

She'll lift and she'll lift hard and fast. so be very aware. I suspect that you're not hitting the throttle quickly enough. You've got to "snap" the throttle quick...that's the only thing you're probably not getting here. I've seen many people trying to wheelie and doing roll-ons at full pin. That won't work well with the stock gears -- they hit the throttle but don't snap it. That gives the bike time to settle down the suspension and stay put on the ground, which is obviously not the desired effect in this case. It has to "pop" up. With the stock gearing, it's just too heavy to lift from a roll on. You, at 175 lbs should have no problem lifting her in 1st.. With the gear change I just did, roll ons will lift it in 1st easily from 4-5 up, but even before that, she lifted on a snap. If you bounce her up, use the same technique starting from steady throttle, to a full close snap to a part open snap...she'll also come up fast that way.

The time difference between a snap and a hard roll-on is only a few hundred milliseconds but it's enough to make the bike stay on the ground instead of popping straight up.

Just remember to put 'er down very gently -- she's a big heavy pig and she'll come down hard if you just let go the throttle...that's gonna hurt.

I take no responsibility here for anything I've said and the end result...you're on your own once you try this

There's no way your 14 won't lift, given the proper technique. If I am wrong about my assumption, forgive me as I'm not intending to offend your riding skills. Just trying to help you.

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zx14_1965


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posted October 17, 2006 10:31 AM        
quote:
JJ -- it's all about technique. No dissin' here, but I'm sure that your ride will lift faster than stink (no pun intended) when you use the proper technique

If you're trying to wheelie with no success, try this...

1) Find an open piece of road with no disturbances
2) Run the bike on 1st gear at a steady speed of 5K
3) Snap (and I mean "snap") the throttle to about 3/4 open; it's really all you'll need anyway

She'll lift and she'll lift hard and fast. so be very aware. I suspect that you're not hitting the throttle quickly enough. You've got to "snap" the throttle quick...that's the only thing you're probably not getting here. I've seen many people trying to wheelie and doing roll-ons at full pin. That won't work well with the stock gears -- they hit the throttle but don't snap it. That gives the bike time to settle down the suspension and stay put on the ground, which is obviously not the desired effect in this case. It has to "pop" up. With the stock gearing, it's just too heavy to lift from a roll on. You, at 175 lbs should have no problem lifting her in 1st.. With the gear change I just did, roll ons will lift it in 1st easily from 4-5 up, but even before that, she lifted on a snap. If you bounce her up, use the same technique starting from steady throttle, to a full close snap to a part open snap...she'll also come up fast that way.
The time difference between a snap and a hard roll-on is only a few hundred milliseconds but it's enough to make the bike stay on the ground instead of popping straight up.
Just remember to put 'er down very gently -- she's a big heavy pig and she'll come down hard if you just let go the throttle...that's gonna hurt.
There's no way your 14 won't lift, given the proper technique. If I am wrong about my assumption, forgive me as I'm not intending to offend your riding skills. Just trying to help you.



Damn, if you really have to go through all that then you're truly don't know how to ride a wheelie. Half of your info is BS....mine will wheelie up on a roll from 2-3 in stock gearing form and without all that mumbo jumbo you're talkin' about.... (Squid)

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posted October 17, 2006 10:41 AM        
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posted October 17, 2006 01:06 PM        
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Some things never change -- there is nothing to upload. He's wrong, as usual.

All you have to do is install the DJ software on your PC, get the map and open it in the DJ software. You will see the map name, fuel tables etc...if you have the map. If you don't have the map, plug the PC into the USB port of the Power Commander and open the DJ software (bike must be running or 9V battery cable plugged into the PCIII) and click on "get map". There, you will see the fuel tables..idle speed, TPS etc.

Unless you have the bike on the Dyno with a gas analyzer plugged in, you're wasting your time. The map that Brock sent you was the result of many hours of tuning for your system, something you can't do without a Dyno or a wideband PC.





Very correct about the gas analizer needed for an accurate tune. Also setting the throttle postions once the bike is plugged in and running is needed for the final touch of loading the map.


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