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posted October 01, 2014 04:21 AM
DECISIONS DECISONS DECISIONS!!!
Jus blew a head gasket on my Gen One ZX-14, this past Sunday (BUMMER). Need some help from you guys with your opinions and knowledge in helping me make a decision. Gotta couple options in my head. I still street ride this bike more than I race it and I want to continue to do both. It's currently a 2 Mil overbore with stock stroke.
Plan A. Build the Gen 1 motor to a 2x4 or 2x5 (Which would you go with)?
Plan B. Put a Gen 2 motor in my frame with a 2 Mil over pistons.
Questions:
1) Which 2 option would you choose and why?
2) How big can you go on either motor and still be able to ride it on the street.
3) Will a weld up crank hold up on the street?
4) Are there any heating problems and/or starting problems with stroking to a 4 or 5 mil?
5) Typical cost for a Gen 2 motor and where can I get one?
6) Any disadvantages to undercutting tranny?
  
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posted October 01, 2014 10:41 AM
Wowww...I see no one likes to give advice on ZX-14.com no more :-(
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posted October 01, 2014 12:29 PM
Can you wait and by an H2?
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posted October 01, 2014 12:44 PM
An H2...what exactly is that?
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posted October 01, 2014 01:00 PM
Sorry I was just caught up in all the H2 business.... dropping the motor and replacing the head gasket would cost a lot less than replacing the motor with a gen 2. How deep money wise are you into the bike and how much further do you want to go on a gen 1?
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posted October 01, 2014 01:14 PM
Stroking it is as far as I'm going to go. I have my bike set up the way I like it from a cosmetic stand point but since I now have to go back in tha motor, I might as well get the full potential out of it while it's down. Jus want to get some different opinions on it.
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posted October 01, 2014 01:37 PM
You can easily put 3k into the motor and ultimately what is the bike worth? Just playing devils advocate from the money standpoint maybe starting again on a new machine vs going deeper than just dealing with the blown head might make more economic sense. Of course that H2 could always be an option.
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posted October 02, 2014 07:56 AM
Fish, what exactly is an H2?
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posted October 02, 2014 07:57 AM
h2ninja.com
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posted October 02, 2014 10:05 AM
yeeeah i had a half chub from the h2..
OP id just build the gen 1 engine. If you blew the head gasket...what all was damaged? Whats salvagable? What can be reused? Sit down and list everything out. If i ever grenade mine...im rebuilding it with a mild build.
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posted October 02, 2014 10:19 AM
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yeeeah i had a half chub from the h2..
OP id just build the gen 1 engine. If you blew the head gasket...what all was damaged? Whats salvagable? What can be reused? Sit down and list everything out. If i ever grenade mine...im rebuilding it with a mild build.
Six I haven't had the motor opened up yet and I already have a mild build (1417) 2 Mil overbore. I want more grunt this time. As soon as the Head gasket blowed, I shut the engine down. I will open it up sometime this winter.
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posted October 02, 2014 10:26 AM
Fish Antler, thanx for the link. I have been outta tha loop for a minute on here. I knew nuthin or heard nuthin about any H2 or H2R. Very nice Futuristic looking bike. Looks like what a ZX-10 might look like in 2020 or something lol. I will pass on that at this time. My pockets ain't that deep for one of those + I wud rather wait until they work the kinks out on the first year model & I wud rather pay my house off before I sink that kind of money into 2 wheels. I think I heard it was like $50,000 +?
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posted October 02, 2014 10:43 AM
No one knows the price of the non R / street version so you may want to wait a month or so before making your decision.
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posted October 02, 2014 11:14 AM
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No one knows the price of the non R / street version so you may want to wait a month or so before making your decision.
Antler, even if the price is below $20,000...I still want to let them work the kinks out of this totally new supercharged setup and by that time, if I decide to get one, there will be aftermarket parts and enhancements for it. I'm jus surprised that KAW is coming out with something new already when the 14R hasn't been out that long and is still the strongest bike out. Very Surprised. Kaw ain't messing around!
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posted October 05, 2014 09:09 PM
Everyone left here and went to http://zx1441r.com/
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posted October 05, 2014 09:17 PM
LOL...Thanks Seno! I figured that this page may not be as popular as before since the ZX-14R has been out a couple years but I still see people posting new topics on here.
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posted October 07, 2014 10:05 AM
1) Which 2 option would you choose and why?
Get a gen2 and keep it stock. At least its newer.
2) How big can you go on either motor and still be able to ride it on the street.
If its stock than city driving will not be an issue.
3) Will a weld up crank hold up on the street?
No idea.
4) Are there any heating problems and/or starting problems with stroking to a 4 or 5 mil?
No idea.
5) Typical cost for a Gen 2 motor and where can I get one?
Ebay or even salvage areas.
6) Any disadvantages to undercutting tranny?
Just keep it stock.
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posted October 07, 2014 11:44 AM
quote:
1) Which 2 option would you choose and why?
Get a gen2 and keep it stock. At least its newer.
2) How big can you go on either motor and still be able to ride it on the street.
If its stock than city driving will not be an issue.
3) Will a weld up crank hold up on the street?
No idea.
4) Are there any heating problems and/or starting problems with stroking to a 4 or 5 mil?
No idea.
5) Typical cost for a Gen 2 motor and where can I get one?
Ebay or even salvage areas.
6) Any disadvantages to undercutting tranny?
Just keep it stock.
Thanks for your imput, Customface but you're missing the point here. Stock 14's aren't strong enough when you have been used to riding a built one. I'm 2mm over bore on my Gen One since 2007 (210 RWHP). Blew a head gasket a couple weeks ago. Looking for more power now, while I got it apart, not less power. I'm into Hi Performance. Stock 14 runs great for a stock bike and is the best out there but have I rised above that level, power wise. Jus trying to look at different options before I make a decision. Looking at something that will make about 240 RWHP on motor with a 60 dry shot whenever I need it. Thanx
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posted October 08, 2014 09:44 AM
If that is the case and if you have the budget get the H2 at least it will suite everything that you need.
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